"since about 1990, in a noticeable way, with roots back to, oh, maybe 1975! Grand old tradition. Which is to say, "(very rude words thought but not typed)". Jemtheflute.
Er...Jem, you should prehaps read what I wrote. I did not say that modern keyless flutes were old traditional instruments, but they are indeed part of, a continuation of, a "grand old tradition" of "simple" wind instruments with six finger holes found in many folk music cultures, and therefore especially suitable for devotees of the traditional dance tunes of Ireland.
Modern keyless flutes are specially suited for playing the "old" traditional tunes of Ireland, whereas I'd say keyed flutes are more suitable for "neo-trad" modern tunes that make use of accidentals
Neo-trad music on neo-trad flutes." Jemtheflute
Before modern makers started making keyless flutes, many of the Irish traditional musicians would remove the keys, and plug the fingerholes of their old English flutes. Keyed flutes aren't necessary for Irish trad. They are nice although somewhat expensive, you can play "trad" and "neo-trad tunes" on them, and the keys stop the flute rolling of the session table, but as I said the true path to enlightenment, tranquility, and financal solvency is a wooden flute with six fingerholes, no unnecessary metal to trip you up
"The fact that ITM took advantage of disused old keyed classical flutes and recycled them for their predominantly key not really required repertoire does not make it a tradition derivative of the other." Talasiga.
Exactly
It's a small point, but. . .
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Re: It's a small point, but. . .
There seem to be a lot of assumptions going on.MTGuru wrote:Well, mute, I tried to save you from yourself. But OK, let me see if I have your lesson straight.mutepointe wrote:As a Californian, maybe you've learned something today.
You assumed (incorrectly) that my objection is because of the state where I happen to live, where we happen to have a lot of those brown people around who might actually care about such things. Your state, on the other hand, is mostly free of those pesky brown people, as I can verify for myself in the USA Census Demographics. Therefore it's OK in WV conversations to ignore what they might think. Except that they do make mighty tasty tacos and enchiladas. Is that about it?
Actually, let's assume that's not it, because I know you're a nicer person than that. Let's assume instead that your OT post was a fiendishly clever ploy to do Cubitt a huge favor and put this thread out of its misery.
I assumed that since Califonia is contiguous to Mexico, which United States a person may be discussing may be more in question than in a state far, far away from Mexico.
I know your comment about "pesky brown people" was meant to be a joke. I didn't laugh. My point about the census data was for you to see that there are very few Hispanic people in West Virginia. Since there are more Hispanic people in California, this may provide yet a second possibility why which United States a person may be talking about may be more in question. The diversity figures are improving in West Virginia.
I am now through explaining myself. Since you seem inclined to prefer to have the last word in whatever subject is discussed, as as a Moderator you should deserve that perk. I will gladly give you the last word and won't comment on your next post regarding my reply.
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Re: It's a small point, but. . .
Steampacket wrote:
"The fact that ITM took advantage of disused old keyed classical flutes and recycled them for their predominantly key not really required repertoire does not make it a tradition derivative of the other." Talasiga.
Exactly
Goodness Gracious! Someone
* actually understood what I said, and
* also agrees with it.
I must be losing my grip
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Re: It's a small point, but. . .
Which grip is that? Rockstro, pipers, some special Bansuri grip?talasiga wrote: I must be losing my grip
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Re: It's a small point, but. . .
talasiga wrote:Steampacket wrote:
"The fact that ITM took advantage of disused old keyed classical flutes and recycled them for their predominantly key not really required repertoire does not make it a tradition derivative of the other." Talasiga.
Exactly
Goodness Gracious! Someone
* actually understood what I said, and
* also agrees with it.
I must be losing my grip
i don't know that i can remember anybody every agreeing with Talisiga... the times they are a changin'
(btw... i agree, too... but i won't tell anybody.)
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