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That is a great quote that I had completely forgotten! Thanks for posting.

DJM, you've got a point about the subsidized medical education. I did not imply that health care should not be available. In fact, I expressly stated that it should. I just feel the gov't should not have its paws into the business affairs conducted between doctors and patients....even if they are paying the bills. The administrative trash that has resulted from government involvement and supervision has been the fastest rising and greatest of all the components leading to an increased cost of health care. If we spent that money on those who do not have sound access to care we would be well into having solved our problem in the States.

My nurse practitioner is from Toronto. She has worked for me for 7 years now. She was born, raised, educated and used to be employed in Toronto. She'll step in line to be the first to proclaim the Canadian system an utter failure.

The average student graduating from medical school today is in debt $100,000-$150,000 and has given away his or her youthful adulthood to study. Tell them they should work for government pay and under government supervision.

Glands, I don't argue the quality of government-run healthcare. It sucks. But let's not ignore the undisciplined behaviour and unbridled greed that created the need for such an institution in the first place. I know its terrible to paint all medical people with one brush, but that's what happens when the public is forced to cry out for government intervention. The result is less than satisfactory for all.

Leremarkable, Chinese doctors don't get paid if their patients get sick. Something to think about.

djm

How come providing health care to all Iraquis is sound policy, while providing health care to all Americans is socialism?

Dionys

Who doesn't want to benefit from technology?

It used to be the doctor had the biggest house in the neighborhood....hasn't been the case for 20 years. Too many other easier ways to "get rich."

So.....NOW the thread should be...Are we running out of doctors?

Sorry for the deterioration of the thread.....lets get back on topic as Tommy posed an interesting question.

I like the "Bit" from David Lim, Then it just has to be reeded, page 1

There ain't that many good sets going around to day, there's a lot of pipers who think they have a good set, there's still plenty of shight made to day, a good set ain't something that looks good but which plays with ease and plays in tune with itself and also has good tone quality,this is were a good reed maker comes in with his talent, a good reed maker can make a shight set sound pretty good but the chanter has to be of a decently made design, there are plenty of chanters made today requiring
space invaders, a good set of pipes will always make good money so if you want them "then" you have to pay for them, as you do for good cars its as simple as that, the more the maker puts in the more the makers gets out,
and why not

Are we running out of doctors?


Heck yeah we are, with the rising price and occurance of malpractice insurance and suits, one of those other ways of "getting rich" I despise. All the extra costs are what turned me away from being a doctor, instead I'm in school to become4 a veterinarian where people will likely start sueing for no good reason as well.

[quote="reedman"]there are plenty of chanters made today requiring
space invaders quote]

Do tell!

Alan

RE: Scarcity of pipe makers in the future. I think that another way to look at it is that if we all as pipers make an effort to promote our craft and pass on what we've learned, we will increase the demand for pipes as a consequence. As long as there is a healthy demand, I think we'll always have people willing to take the time to provide us with pipes. All makers were once just players, so the more players there are, the more natural interest there will be in making.

Now for my socialized pipe-making scheme....

james

reedman wrote:there are plenty of chanters made today requiring
space invaders

....I've always favored Pac-Man more....better ghost D.

Minnesota is one of the highest-taxed states in the Union. It also typically leads the nation in k-12 test scores, lowest crime rates, voter turnout, environmental quality and the healthiest:

http://webcenter.health.webmd.netscape. ... genumber=2

Now, I'm not saying we should become another Sweden, but something seems to be working here.

More on topic: I am seeking funding for our piper's club through various organizations - some of which probably have received some portion of taxpayer's dollars. We (and the piping tradition) would really, really benefit from this type of funding. Membership dues ain't gonna do it.

Is it wrong to pursue this type of funding? Am I screwing the taxpayers? I don't think so.

Is there anyone out there with an opinion?

t

Tommy, I can think of worse things to spend Gov. monies on...at the very least, this would assist in promoting and preserving Uilleann piping in Minnesota.

By the way, I DID try to throw money at yoos guys a few months back. My offer still stands.

Tommy, perhaps this should be a separate thread (?).

As to whether or not its valid to seek financial assistance, you have not said what you intend to do with the funds - buy beer? - hire chocolate-covered dancing girls? - buy beer? - sponsor UP events? - buy beer?

djm

Or perhaps start a nice music library and purchase a bunch of Daye practice sets (and build them as a group on weekends/in your spare time)? Along with the chocolate-covered dancing girls, of course.

Dionys

Hey Tom. The reason MN is the healtiest is that all the fat beer drinkin' cheese eatin' citizens move next door to Wisconsin.

Interesting Q re the taxpayer support issue. In general, I am against taxpayers funding anything re the arts EXCEPT art education. Gov't sponsored art usually is trash.....jut take a look at the junk sculptures that get put into the public spaces of our big cities, or some of the ghastly paintings in our museums. Much of it is horrid and of no particular value or contribution to society for the dollars spent to "commission" the work. Artists should be treated just like any other folks taking money for services. They should be good enough to make a living, based on ability to sell their work in the free marketplace, as a result of their art or else find something else to do for a living. Same is true for musicians. Of course, if you have club activities that promote and support the dissemination of Irish music and culture to others then that would count for education in my book. Go for it.

glands wrote:....Gov't sponsored art usually is trash.....jut take a look at the junk sculptures that get put into the public spaces of our big cities, or some of the ghastly paintings in our museums....

I've always wanted a gig like that.
Picture a warehouse, sketches and blue prints pinned on the wall, minimal metal working tools, acetylene torch, electric welder and lots of red and purple paint. Where do I sign up??