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I for one would sure like to see some more and better pics of this set in the Musikmuséet.



From this site.

I rather suspect there's better subjects for photography in Stockholm.

djm

Hi Kevin!

Olle Gällmo and Stefan Kayat, who took the photos are both members on this forum, so is Jan Winter aka "Liraman". From what I heard there was a time when they were allowed to borrow that Coyne set

The set is not in the normal exibition, but one can request to see it. If you don't find any good photos I'll take some for you next time I'll go up there.

Cheers!

/MarcusR

I'd also like to see this set and take some photos if possible. Markus do you know if you have to get permission/phone in advance, or can you just turn up and ask to see the set during opening hours? Do you know if the set is reeded, I wouldn't think so, but what if!!!! I'll probably go up to Stockholm some time in the spring. I know the museum purchased the set from Tony Bingham http://www.oldmusicalinstruments.co.uk/
some time during 1981. I wonder how much they paid for it and who Tony Bingham purchased the set from?,

Whoever decides to take new photos, would they be amenable to posting them here?

I would love to see better quality photos of this set, as I'm certain most of us would.

Steampacket wrote:I'd also like to see this set and take some photos if possible. Markus do you know if you have to get permission/phone in advance, or can you just turn up and ask to see the set during opening hours? Do you know if the set is reeded, I wouldn't think so, but what if!!!! I'll probably go up to Stockholm some time in the spring. I know the museum purchased the set from Tony Bingham http://www.oldmusicalinstruments.co.uk/
some time during 1981. I wonder how much they paid for it and who Tony Bingham purchased the set from?,

Hi! Yes, you do have to get in contact with the museum in advance as the set is in the collection but not in the standard exhibitions. I talked to them last summer as we were planning a little get together with Chris Bayley and Mike Hulme this last september but other things came in between so we have not done it yet. I think this could be a good reason for a little UP get together in Stockholm soon

From what I can recall I think some of the reeds were there but not working. Jan, Stefan or Olle would be the best source for information.
Let me know if you plan to go up to Stockholm, and if you do, take Pär with you and stop by my house on the way up

Cheers!

MarcusR

Sounds great, Marcus. Amazing that they'd let something like that out of the museum - what would you leave as collateral? If that's the word.
It'd be even greater if you could record the pipes. Maybe someone could provide some reeds you could try? Any plans for Chris to visit again?
I always wondered if this is the set Leo Rowsome played on the Drones and Chanters - that was a Coyne Bb with double bass. Beautiful tone.

Kevin L. Rietmann wrote:
I always wondered if this is the set Leo Rowsome played on the Drones and Chanters - that was a Coyne Bb with double bass. Beautiful tone.

I don´t think this one but I see a few things on Willie´s Bb flat that I think you will only find on Coyne´s sets. Maybe a young Coybe or a copy? Look at these pics:



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Especially see these "ivory clips" on the bent drone ends. BTW, interesting again the bellows on the pic recently supplied by Rory.

Typical of Willie and Leo Rowsomes (normal) sets are the drones with only one piece of ivory on them and the very precise feeling they had for bend-proportions (thickness of the pipe towards bend-diameter). Especially these extremely disproportionate bends one the O´Neill Bb IMO rule Rowsome out. Willie would never have made a bend like this I think.

Cheers,
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Sorry. I just realised that Kevin did not refer to the O´Neill Bb at all.

You mean these things:



The clips or braces or support pieces or whatever you want to call them were on Willie's Bb, they're hard to see in this pic but very clear in the photo in O'Neill's book (which this is a painting of):



Willie's early pipes were a mishmash of things he liked in other makers, like early Wooff pipes, were Geoff would do whatever key/reg cap/mountings/etc you wanted him to. Later he seemed to settle on a certain style, like Mick O'Briain's pipes, which Leo followed in doing far as I can tell. The teardrop Egan type keys for instance. Never seen a Leo or late Willie set that had anything but.
The Bb set Willie was pictured with might be a Coyne's first set but it's much cruder than anything they made later and put their name(s) on. Really awful lines in the ferrules, crude turnings, etc. The wooden top on the bass reg I've never seen on another set either. The reg caps are sort of a rude imitation of Harrington, not Coyne, who always made the caps out of one piece of ivory far as I know. Probably it's just very early Willie work.
And yes, I was just referring to the set Leo played on the LP, the liner notes say it's a Coyne. I think I read that it belonged to Leo, also, i.e., not borrowed for the record.

Howdy folks,

Long time no write (from my part).

I do apologize for the bad picture quality of the Coyne pictures, but please keep in mind that they were taken 10 years ago. The digital cameras of the day were not that good. (In fact I have seen the model I used on display in another museum :-)

We took these pictures within the museum (in a closed room and wearing white gloves), we did not walk out with the instrument. Yes it was reeded, but as I recall the reeds did not appear to be that old. We were allowed to handle the set, pull it apart (not easy in white cotton gloves) to take pictures of details, etc, but we were not allowed to try playing it. However, I believe Jan Winter has heard this very set being played in the first half of the 1980's. The bag is extremely small, by the way, so it must be very difficult to play.

The museum, then, had no information on who built the set. It was our pictures on the web site which gathered enough attention to identify it as a Coyne set. I don't think the museum ever accepted that result, though. I suggested that they should at least put a sign there (it was on display in those days) telling that it *probably* was a Coyne set, but as far as I know they never did.

In any case, it is a magnificent beast!

Looks like the UP get together at Stockholm music museum will be in April next year. We plan to have the very first tionol in Sweden at the same time, as a visit by two well known pipemakers is a rare thing over here.

Kevin, I just got a new SLR (Pentax K10D) with a selection of lenses so I can get you some good photos

Cheers!

/MarcusR

Marvelous news, Marcus! I'm sure I'm not alone in appreciating pipe lichen.

Thanks for putting the original pics up too, Olle. Stared at those things on many an occasion. Amazing bit of work, that set.

Who are your guests going to be? Someone going to do a bit of measuring while you're at it?

Ahh!
That was in another thread that I mentioned the names of the pipemakers.
Bill Haneman and Chris Bayley are the two makers that will visit Stockholm, measure the Coyne set and share some of their knowledge with the rest of us

/MarcusR