Pearson, Potter, Hawkes & Son in February auctions

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Here is a photo I have on hand. It is a bit darker and less brilliant looking now:
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I think this is an old photo possibly from its first sale.....
I have newer photos but am a bit tied up tonight.
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Many Thanks Patrick, What a great looking flute. The acid stain really sets the boxwood off a treat !
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That's a very nice looking Monzani Patrick. Boxwood Monzanis are quite rare, I remember reading somewhere that Monzani made more flutes out of ivory than boxwood. The second feature that stands out for me is the keys, I haven't seen another Monzani with those circular flat disks to hold the pads. Could you tell me if these disks have the screw fittings to secure the pads in place?
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Hello,
No screws on the keys just flat round disks.
I think the boxwood is naturally figured like that. If you wanted to replicate it with acid staining you could but from what I've seen acid staining results in a more uniform pattern than this figured boxwood has. I could be wrong though. See the Hubbert pipes in the uilleann pictures thread on the uilleann board to see some acid stained wood.
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As far as I'm aware, you do not get much if any in the way of natural figuring with Box, hence the acid stain to create that illusion. Joseph has a part Firth Hall & Pond 8 key ( we are still waiting patiently for a matching head to turn up ) which is very similar. I suppose the randomness or uniformity of patterned effect will be determined when applied. Will post you a photo later. The only other example I have which looks anything like this is the naturally ( I think ) figured Maple found on a Ralph Sweet flute. I wonder if this was the type of wood they were originally trying to emulate ?
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and shown at NAMM this year, the Gittler Bass. One of these is not at all like the others.

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Here you can see some naturally occurring figured boxwood flutes from Casey:
http://www.caseyburnsflutes.com/detail_ ... oxwood.php

It's not all that uncommon to find highly figured antique boxwood flutes:
http://www.antiqueflutes.com/product.php?id=957

All the flute folk I've talked to about this flute and other flutes like it suggest it is natural.
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dunnp wrote; "No screws on the keys just flat round disks."

Thank you for taking the trouble to check for me Patrick. It's interesting that this patented feature is not present on your flute.
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"Thank you for taking the trouble to check for me Thomas. It's interesting that this patented feature is not present on your flute." Uni flute

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at NAMM this year, the Gittler Bass. One of these is not at all like the others." Kkrell

Now that's too weird for me :o . I still prefer the traditional Fender Precision bass.
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kkrell wrote:One of these is not at all like the others.
You mean only one has six strings?? :D

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Thanks Patrick for the updates and examples regarding the figuring on Boxwood. I'm always open to suggestion. It would be really handy if we could age one of Casey's flutes a mere two Centuries just to be sure !
I have to agree with you kkrell with the " Skeletal Bass. " It manages a brilliant impression of an old outdoor analogue TV. aerial !!
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I have to admit, I'd also hate to be holding it and either trip or fall somehow -- instant sucking chest wound. :shock:

I think it would also catch on your clothing ...
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Just to concur Patrick, I have just compared the Firth Hall & Pond body with the William Hall head that I'm currently using on it from another flute. And, as you pointed out, the former has a more natural uniformly arranged figuring, and the latter acid stained head, a more random approach ( unnatural if you like ) in its application. Thanks again for drawing my attention to the difference. I live and learn - Owen.
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Hello Uni Flute,
I think the patent 'floating' keys were a later Monzani thing. I have seen one other Monzani with the small circle keys, it was cocus and ivory and about the same age. I've only ever seen one more boxwood Monzani. It was much later with fancy rings. If my memory is correct.
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Hello Patrick, I do apologize to you and Thomas for getting you both mixed up. It seems like these small circular keys are a rare feature with Monzani flutes. You are right about the floating keys Patrick, they are usually found on the later instruments like mine. My Dad's Monzani from the Dover Street address has screws under the square key plates, with one retaining nut surviving. They seem like a precursor to the floating keys of the later instruments. The only other boxwood Monzani I have come across on the internet is this one with two heads and ivory bands; http://www.brightcecilia.com/forum/show ... php?t=2245 (one head joint has a tuning slide)
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