Our instruments are endangered !!

[pancelticpiper]

I spent a number of years dabbling in Andean music, where most of the instruments (Kenas and Sikus) are made out of cane.

They seem to get along fine with no tuning slides.

[Nanohedron]

Well, I was thinking more along the lines of the adjustments you have to be able to make at a trad session. I wonder what's different about Andean ensembles.

[Steve Bliven]

I wonder what's different about Andean ensembles.

Well, for one thing, they're mostly in South America.

Best wishes.

Steve

[Nanohedron]

Walked right into that one...

[Cholbroo17]

So I have a question can I send a whistle made of Blackwood and it get there or what should I do to make sure I can send it to the person I want to send this whistle to.
Chris

[kkrell]

So I have a question can I send a whistle made of Blackwood and it get there or what should I do to make sure I can send it to the person I want to send this whistle to.
Chris

If shipping from country to country, then you need a single-use export permit from your country, and have to meet the requirements for import into the destination country. For one thing, this involves being able to prove that the wood used in the instrument was harvested legally (or pre-CITES) and that use was documented properly. Assuming legally used, then pay the appropriate fee for the permit (I think from the U.S. it's approx. $75 for a single-use permit). As you can see, it's going to be both restrictive and costly to transfer instruments across borders, except for personal instruments being hand-carried.

[Steve Bliven]

....this involves being able to prove that the wood used in the instrument was harvested legally (or pre-CITES) and that use was documented properly. Assuming legally used, then pay the appropriate fee for the permit (I think from the U.S. it's approx. $75 for a single-use permit). As you can see, it's going to be both restrictive and costly to transfer instruments across borders, except for personal instruments being hand-carried.

At some point it will become cheaper to travel from the US to Ireland for repairs than to ship.... Aer Lingus may be behind all this.

Best wishes,

Steve

[pancelticpiper]

I wonder what's different about Andean ensembles.

They play in tune

Yes I'm joking and being a smart aleck... but there's a kernel of truth I think.

I've owned a couple dozen Bolivian quenas and panpipes of various sizes and they've all played in tune to A=440 as they came as best I can recall.

That combined with the considerable pitch variation you can get with your embouchure, and the fact that they don't have to play with instruments that might be in nonstandard pitches (like uilleann pipes) means no tuning slides are necessary.

[pancelticpiper]

If shipping from country to country, then you need a single-use export permit from your country, and have to meet the requirements for import into the destination country. For one thing, this involves being able to prove that the wood used in the instrument was harvested legally (or pre-CITES) and that use was documented properly. Assuming legally used, then pay the appropriate fee for the permit.

I just sent a couple bagpipe parts to a maker in Canada to have repaired. He got a CITES permit for them in order to ship them back to me legally. He charged me $40.

[kkrell]

If shipping from country to country, then you need a single-use export permit from your country, and have to meet the requirements for import into the destination country. For one thing, this involves being able to prove that the wood used in the instrument was harvested legally (or pre-CITES) and that use was documented properly. Assuming legally used, then pay the appropriate fee for the permit.

I just sent a couple bagpipe parts to a maker in Canada to have repaired. He got a CITES permit for them in order to ship them back to me legally. He charged me $40.

As discussed in another thread, permit costs for instrument makers are different, and they have lower cost per unit permits after their main registration.

[pancelticpiper]

Right.

Casey Burns spells it all out here (for US makers shipping overseas)

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=103957

In short, a maker purchases a $200 "master file" and then can issue "single use" permits for $5 each.

Of course it's up to each maker how he chooses to distribute these expenses amongst his clients, work them into his overall pricing, chalk it up to the price of doing business, or what have you. (As if being a maker isn't already complicated and expensive enough.)

I have no idea what the expenses entailed by Canadian makers are.

The implication is, though, that one can travel with such instruments as a "personal item" without CITES, which is good news. Evidently ivory is in a more restricted category. I know several Highland pipers who have got CITES for their ivory mounted pipes.

Casey mentions the possibility of using Mopane/Mopani which evidently is still OK for overseas customers. I know several Highland pipemakers use it.

[Tunborough]

I hunted about the Canadian government web pages regarding CITES permits, http://www.ec.gc.ca/cites/default.asp?l ... 7E56589B-1, and found no indication that there was any fee required for an export permit. Who would have guessed.

[pancelticpiper]

I hunted about the Canadian government web pages regarding CITES permits, http://www.ec.gc.ca/cites/default.asp?l ... 7E56589B-1, and found no indication that there was any fee required for an export permit. Who would have guessed.

Does the USA require CITES and fees for imports? Maybe that's what Canadian makers face when shipping to the USA.

[kkrell]

I hunted about the Canadian government web pages regarding CITES permits, http://www.ec.gc.ca/cites/default.asp?l ... 7E56589B-1, and found no indication that there was any fee required for an export permit. Who would have guessed.

http://www.ec.gc.ca/CITES/default.asp?l ... 2-1#_01_15

"How much does a CITES permit cost?

CITES permits are available free of charge. If you would prefer your CITES permit to be sent to you by courier instead of by regular mail, you will be responsible for the additional cost."

However, you do have to provide the import permit for the receiving nation.

The info above is "Date modified: 2015-07-31" , so it doesn't necessarily reflect the current situation fully.

I did find the Canadian export applications and instructions on their website, but they do indicate that forms are being revised.

http://www.ec.gc.ca/cites/default.asp?l ... 05BFDC16-1

[whistlecollector]

So I have a question can I send a whistle made of Blackwood and it get there or what should I do to make sure I can send it to the person I want to send this whistle to.
Chris

If shipping from country to country, then you need a single-use export permit from your country, and have to meet the requirements for import into the destination country. For one thing, this involves being able to prove that the wood used in the instrument was harvested legally (or pre-CITES) and that use was documented properly. Assuming legally used, then pay the appropriate fee for the permit (I think from the U.S. it's approx. $75 for a single-use permit). As you can see, it's going to be both restrictive and costly to transfer instruments across borders, except for personal instruments being hand-carried.

Can't you just stick it in a box and write "musical instrument" or "flute" or something of that sort on the little green customs form? I've never had any problem with getting old instruments from the UK or Europe before.