cavefish wrote:it would appear digital-i only listened to about 10 seconds of this stuff ------and thought Yuk-------before--------------i just listened again digital was my first thought
Sorry cavefish, it does more than just appear digital. Check out Mr. Hamilton's website: http://www.mocroi.com/ . We're not insulting this guy's playing. He's not playing anything.
Well, his website says:
"The Best in Celtic Music Products by Michael Hamilton"
That fact that his best is still utter crap isn't disputed.
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that schwing
River Otter wrote:
Oh, my goodness! What in the world?? Did you listen to the clips? Does that sound like a "player of whistles" to you? Are you suggesting we should advocate fraud because the perpetrator is making money? Is your name, by any coincidence, Michael Hamilton, or are you one of his shills?
CALM DOWN ------DID YOU MAKE ANY CD's ARE YOU SELLING YOUR STUFF ON AMAZON-----------THATS ALL I AM SAYING ----------IT WOULD SEEM SCRATCHING ON A CHALKBOARD WILL MAKE MONEY, AND THIS GUY DID IT---------
So anything that makes money out of false representation is to be applauded?
Say, now I think of it, there's a nice bridge over here in London that I can let you have for, let me see, how about $50 million?
I SAID THIS GUY IS LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK---------I DID NOT SALUTE HIM ---------THAT IS THE WAY THIS WORLD IS HEADING, PEOPLE ARE GETTING MONEY FOR CRAP -------------MY ORIGINAL STATEMENT WAS WHEN I LISTENED TO HIM FOR A SHORT TIME (10 SECONDS MAYBE) I DID NOT CONSIDER THE DIGITAL PART --------I JUST THOUGHT THIS GUY WAS TRYING ----------BUT I LISTENED AGAIN
cavefish wrote:well i have seen 5 pages of cutdowns on this player of whistles, including my own -- but this person is making money--------------i think he/she is laughing all the way to the bank--------------also i think we have let our pride take the place of admonishment-----------i hope if any of you potential sellers of your music make a CD we dont hack up one of own own again------------ i guess if we dont have anything nice to say we should not say it----------i for one apologise for my arrogance and ridicule of a fellow whistler and brother
Oh, my goodness! What in the world?? Did you listen to the clips? Does that sound like a "player of whistles" to you? Are you suggesting we should advocate fraud because the perpetrator is making money? Is your name, by any coincidence, Michael Hamilton, or are you one of his shills?
CALM DOWN ------DID YOU MAKE ANY CD's ARE YOU SELLING YOUR STUFF ON AMAZON-----------THATS ALL I AM SAYING ----------IT WOULD SEEM SCRATCHING ON A CHALKBOARD WILL MAKE MONEY, AND THIS GUY DID IT---------
Making money doesn't justify an immoral or unethical act. Child pornographers make money but that doesn't make it right. I don't sell CDs of myself playing the whistle on Amazon because it would be unethical for me to advertise myself as a quality representative of the art form. But amateurish as I am, I come a helluva lot closer than this crap.
River Otter wrote:
Oh, my goodness! What in the world?? Did you listen to the clips? Does that sound like a "player of whistles" to you? Are you suggesting we should advocate fraud because the perpetrator is making money? Is your name, by any coincidence, Michael Hamilton, or are you one of his shills?
CALM DOWN ------DID YOU MAKE ANY CD's ARE YOU SELLING YOUR STUFF ON AMAZON-----------THATS ALL I AM SAYING ----------IT WOULD SEEM SCRATCHING ON A CHALKBOARD WILL MAKE MONEY, AND THIS GUY DID IT---------
Making money doesn't justify an immoral or unethical act. Child pornographers make money but that doesn't make it right. I don't sell CDs of myself playing the whistle on Amazon because it would be unethical for me to advertise myself as a quality representative of the art form. But amateurish as I am, I come a helluva lot closer than this crap.
i am not justifying anything--------, this is nothing like ρσяиσפядρђψ why even compare the two --what about european techno music -thats not real but it sells----its crap, but it sells------------
It's my sad duty to report that amazon.com has deleted all of the reviews again. This is weird. I have to assume that either (a) amazon.com has deleted the reviews at the request of the person selling this CD via amazon or (b) they have some software thing that automatically deletes reviews if they come in too fast or too negative. I'm guessing, though, it's (a). The keywords are still there as is the little discussion forum thing.
oops. I guess I broke the rules. Here it goes again.
I wrote:
Amazon again deleted all the honest reviews of Mr. Hamilton's 'Tin Whistle' music. I think that anyone who has the time should write an honest, polite, but strong letter to amazon.com stating the concerns we have with these CDs and with the fact that honest reviews are not tolerated.
Ramzy Berbawy
I think there's just one kind of folks. Folks.
-Scout Finch
A well known and respected cornet player and bandmaster, Harry Mortimer, once wrote that
Music is not a commodity to be packaged and foisted on a gullible public as a national panacea, or as an alternative to thought or conversation. If the public is presented with poor quality all the time, it soon begins to accept it as the norm. The public, the great consumer, basically wants what it gets, but that is not necessarily the same as saying that it gets what it deserves.
I think he makes a very good point. Musicians have an obligation to the quality of music that they sell, just as any other producer of goods or services has an obligation to the quality of the goods or services they provide. The fact that there are so many examples of failures to meet these obligations doesn't diminish the obligation any more than does the fact that they were successful in selling it to a gullible public. There's nothing at all wrong with playing music poorly in an effort to play well, but that doesn't mean it belongs on the shelves at Amazon. It belongs on YouTube.
Just a suggestion: I've posted an honest but entirely civilized review and it's on amazon.com now as the only review. For the next couple of days, let's not add any reviews. After that, have at it. But, I would love for this to be a test--will they delete one very clearly worded honest review?
I have come across products with all bad reviews before on amazon, a lot in fact, and it helped me decide not to buy it. If I were to take a guess, maybe the reviews were removed because they were misunderstood, and maybe came across as sort of an ambush against this seller or something, with possibly an alterior motive other than an honest review? Even though I have seen bad reviews a lot on ebay, in my honest opinion, I think the ones written under that CD were probably the harshest I have seen..so maybe if someone were a bit more polite about it, the honesty of the review might be understood better. Also, many of you mentioned you hadn't even bought the CD, which also might be a bit confusing...reviewing an item you are stating you haven't even really checked out...might have reinforced the motive for the reviews.
Kari
kari wrote:I have come across products with all bad reviews before on amazon, a lot in fact, and it helped me decide not to buy it. If I were to take a guess, maybe the reviews were removed because they were misunderstood, and maybe came across as sort of an ambush against this seller or something, with possibly an alterior motive other than an honest review? Even though I have seen bad reviews a lot on ebay, in my honest opinion, I think the ones written under that CD were probably the harshest I have seen..so maybe if someone were a bit more polite about it, the honesty of the review might be understood better. Also, many of you mentioned you hadn't even bought the CD, which also might be a bit confusing...reviewing an item you are stating you haven't even really checked out...might have reinforced the motive for the reviews.
Kari
Thanks. You may have a point, although this is a matter on which it is hard to be polite. I really do believe it is a fraudulent product. It's not a matter of taste. I really can't conceive of anyone being glad they bought the CD. Not a single person.
I think you are right, though, that the reviews most likely were deleted because they were perceived as a pile-on.
kari wrote:....many of you mentioned you hadn't even bought the CD, which also might be a bit confusing...reviewing an item you are stating you haven't even really checked out...
The sound samples on amazon.com don't always give a fair samping of the CD. But, if you haven't already, do buzz over and listen to four or five of them.
but this person is making money--------------i think he/she is laughing all the way to the bank--------------also i think we have let our pride take the place of admonishment-----------i hope if any of you potential sellers of your music make a CD we dont hack up one of own own again------------ i guess if we dont have anything nice to say we should not say it----------i for one apologise for my arrogance and ridicule of a fellow whistler and brother
