Bondit B45TH also glues delrin. I got it from McMaster Carr. Expensive though.Jon C. wrote: glueing delrin is a nightmare. Only one glue works: Cyanopoxy by Coolchem.
Dave Copley
Loveland, Ohio
Thin Walled Flutes
Well, what is the general consensus on wall thickness's [sp?] effect on tone? I have various oldies - nothing too big in the hole size department here, various German, American, and also one old English box flute - the thicker the wall the "darker" the tone, and the bigger the bore the more solid the first octave but the smaller bores play easier in the second (and third!) octave.
I had the honor of playing away on an old Rudall and Rose a few weeks ago. Good growly tone but fairly small holes. Altogether flat bottom D, too. Heavy, and a big bore as well. It played, felt, and sounded much like my Koehlert and Sons.
I'm waiting on an old Geo. Cloos 10 key with an ivory head - I wonder how much that will brighten up the tone. Not really an option with new flutes, though!
I had the honor of playing away on an old Rudall and Rose a few weeks ago. Good growly tone but fairly small holes. Altogether flat bottom D, too. Heavy, and a big bore as well. It played, felt, and sounded much like my Koehlert and Sons.
I'm waiting on an old Geo. Cloos 10 key with an ivory head - I wonder how much that will brighten up the tone. Not really an option with new flutes, though!
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Thanks Dave, looks like good stuff, is a little pricey though. You can also weld delrin, but it is a little messy.Bondit B45TH also glues delrin. I got it from McMaster Carr. Expensive though.
Andrew, What is a DCM 0024? I have seen pictures of some nice carved ivory flutes, like the R&R, with the raised tone holes.Andrew wrote:
Look at DCM 0024 ( Boehm & Mendler ) for the sort of raised part I was imagining, JonC.
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Well, what is the general consensus on wall thickness's [sp?] effect on tone? I have various oldies - nothing too big in the hole size department here, various German, American, and also one old English box flute - the thicker the wall the "darker" the tone, and the bigger the bore the more solid the first octave but the smaller bores play easier in the second (and third!) octave.
The wall thickness of on the un-named English 8 key flute that I am working on has a wall thickness of 3.8 mm to 5mm at the tone holes.
It didn't come with a head joint, so I don't know what the embouchure hole depth was. It has a very small bore, but has a lot of volume, with medium holes.
http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php ... ight=8+key
Jon
DCM is Dayton C.Miller collection ,the contents of which I assume you, JonC and everyone else will be intimate with over the internet.
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/dcmhtml/dmhome.html
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/dcmhtml/dmhome.html
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It only looks funny because it has no keys. It is the lip plate I thaught might inspire you !
Amazing that you could put it up so quickly.
Just think how much more interesting the site would be if we could all do that.
Or if we could post emailed pictures !
Even I could show what I mean !
One picture......
Amazing that you could put it up so quickly.
Just think how much more interesting the site would be if we could all do that.
Or if we could post emailed pictures !
Even I could show what I mean !
One picture......
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I know, I was just ribbing you...It only looks funny because it has no keys.
Tis a nice lip plate, also the joint is thickened to take care of the tenon/socket.It is the lip plate I thaught might inspire you !
Pretty impressive, huh?Amazing that you could put it up so quickly.
But you can, and free! just use image shack (thanks to Glauber)Just think how much more interesting the site would be if we could all do that.
Or if we could post emailed pictures !
Even I could show what I mean !
One picture......
http://imageshack.us/index3.php
Go to the site and upload your picture, and then host! Then copy "hotlink for forums" url and wala! You have a picture!
Jon
If I could only do audio clips I would be able to prove that it was women in ancient Dingle who were the first ever to play the bodhran!andrewK wrote:It only looks funny because it has no keys. It is the lip plate I thaught might inspire you !
Amazing that you could put it up so quickly.
Just think how much more interesting the site would be if we could all do that.
Or if we could post emailed pictures !
Even I could show what I mean !
One picture......
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Now we know who to blame !
Dingle was ancient the first time I was there. The Dingle fair was on, and I was moved on by the police for trying to play my whistle !
Just a tourist trap now. But a lovely area. Especially to the west.
Anybody who has not read " the Islandman" about life on Great Blasket Island in the old days has a treat in store.
Dingle was ancient the first time I was there. The Dingle fair was on, and I was moved on by the police for trying to play my whistle !
Just a tourist trap now. But a lovely area. Especially to the west.
Anybody who has not read " the Islandman" about life on Great Blasket Island in the old days has a treat in store.
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At first glance, that Dayton Miller image is starting to look dangerously like my thinwall silver Boehm -- lip plate, raised key collars and all.
One inspired the next, I guess?
P.S. Same deal in metal flutes. Thinwalls are considered more brilliant and "silvery"/ vibrant. They are also eminently more "dent-able."
One inspired the next, I guess?
P.S. Same deal in metal flutes. Thinwalls are considered more brilliant and "silvery"/ vibrant. They are also eminently more "dent-able."
Deja Fu: The sense that somewhere, somehow, you've been kicked in the head exactly like this before.
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"Anybody who has not read " the Islandman" about life on Great Blasket Island in the old days has a treat in store." Andrew.
We drove down to Dingle after Willie Week last year and camped out at the Gallus Oratory. Had some very nice sessions in Ballyferriter, and at Creugers, Dun Quinn, Saw the Blaskets through the fog, but didn't get out. A wild haunting place, thrashing seas, jagged rocks. The Blasket Center, a new museum, only a couple of years old, was very interesting indeed, covering the history of the Blaskets, the evacuation, and the people. At a session in Dun Quinn we met a box player whose parents were the last family to leave the Blaskets in 1954 I believe. There was a newspaper clipping about her brother being the only boy left, without playmates, on the Great Blasket island. Also a poignant story of the couple that went back one weekend, after the evacuation, to fetch stuff from their old home, and were stranded owing to bad weather for 3-4 months. The man died, and the woman alone with his body was insane when they finally got a boat out to her from the mainland. She'd thrown pieces of her husbands body into the sea apparantly. (It didn't say so but I assume she had to eat parts of her hubby in order to survive?)
We drove down to Dingle after Willie Week last year and camped out at the Gallus Oratory. Had some very nice sessions in Ballyferriter, and at Creugers, Dun Quinn, Saw the Blaskets through the fog, but didn't get out. A wild haunting place, thrashing seas, jagged rocks. The Blasket Center, a new museum, only a couple of years old, was very interesting indeed, covering the history of the Blaskets, the evacuation, and the people. At a session in Dun Quinn we met a box player whose parents were the last family to leave the Blaskets in 1954 I believe. There was a newspaper clipping about her brother being the only boy left, without playmates, on the Great Blasket island. Also a poignant story of the couple that went back one weekend, after the evacuation, to fetch stuff from their old home, and were stranded owing to bad weather for 3-4 months. The man died, and the woman alone with his body was insane when they finally got a boat out to her from the mainland. She'd thrown pieces of her husbands body into the sea apparantly. (It didn't say so but I assume she had to eat parts of her hubby in order to survive?)
