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what else can I say?
I will be glad and thanksfull to everyone for a gift like this!
I like Prowse flutes (even if this one is a pratten...)
do you like it?
do you prefer an antique 8keys or a New one (EX. a grinter)???
Frank
Old Vs. New: a flute on EBAY
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Beats me why anybody would call it a Pratten just 'cos it has a long middle joint.
Tha last one I saw ( often) had offset keys .
One of the few actually made ( retrospectively ) to play in tune !
The mounts are nice.
Aren't reserves a pain ?
Tha last one I saw ( often) had offset keys .
One of the few actually made ( retrospectively ) to play in tune !
The mounts are nice.
Aren't reserves a pain ?
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Money wise it makes more sense, IMHO, to buy a good quality antic. Its value will only go up. A copy or a flute made by a modern maker will start loosing value as soon as out of the workshop. A used flute by XXX (insert here the name of your favorite maker) will not sell for as much money as a brand new one (assuming same model, same wood and same everything).
Now for playability, it is another story. A think a good copy is a far safer bet than an antic, even an antic that looks great.
A very good quality antic should be viewed as collection item an not as a flute for session or practice.
Even the great pro may rarely play there beloved antic instruments. I was told that Chris Norman is playing mostly a copy of its R&R made by Rod Cameron, saving the real one for recording and concerts.
Now for playability, it is another story. A think a good copy is a far safer bet than an antic, even an antic that looks great.
A very good quality antic should be viewed as collection item an not as a flute for session or practice.
Even the great pro may rarely play there beloved antic instruments. I was told that Chris Norman is playing mostly a copy of its R&R made by Rod Cameron, saving the real one for recording and concerts.
Hmm, actually many new flutes hold their value exceedingly well. You'll not find an Olwell, Grinter, or Wilkes below cost. They often sell for more than the original price.
Many 100 plus year old flutes are played on a regular basis. I think it's a shame for instruments not to be used for their intended purpose. Eventually they may indeed wear out but they've led a good life and what more could be asked.
There are collectors and then there are players. Both are good as many of the collected flutes do eventually fall into the hands of players.
Many 100 plus year old flutes are played on a regular basis. I think it's a shame for instruments not to be used for their intended purpose. Eventually they may indeed wear out but they've led a good life and what more could be asked.
There are collectors and then there are players. Both are good as many of the collected flutes do eventually fall into the hands of players.
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And then start the destruction process...
The most well preserved instruments tend to be in the hands of collectors (and museums), not players.
Recently someone tried to sell on this board a McGee for the same price as new. He received comments saying that it was not worth it.
Another example (still a McGee) a Pratten black wood 6 keys in mint condition was sold with about 30% discount comparing with brand new price.
Now there are certainly some modern flutes that are selling for more than brand new cost. And there are also probably some antics that play as a good as a good modern flute. I think they both are very rare.
I agree that good antics can be a terrific bargain for a player. Not sure this is the best thing that can happen for the flute though.
A collector is most of the time also a player. A real collector will often have several antic flutes. Sometimes dozens. He cannot possibly play them all frequently. So those flutes do not wear much.
The most well preserved instruments tend to be in the hands of collectors (and museums), not players.
Recently someone tried to sell on this board a McGee for the same price as new. He received comments saying that it was not worth it.
Another example (still a McGee) a Pratten black wood 6 keys in mint condition was sold with about 30% discount comparing with brand new price.
Now there are certainly some modern flutes that are selling for more than brand new cost. And there are also probably some antics that play as a good as a good modern flute. I think they both are very rare.
I agree that good antics can be a terrific bargain for a player. Not sure this is the best thing that can happen for the flute though.
A collector is most of the time also a player. A real collector will often have several antic flutes. Sometimes dozens. He cannot possibly play them all frequently. So those flutes do not wear much.
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I can see on closer examination that I was not being fair about the niceness of the rings on M. J-M V's father in law's flute but I have managed to edit that post. I admit it !
They are very pretty.And the end cap is engine turned.
Does it play, though?
The only ones I have come across which do are the reworked ones.
They are very pretty.And the end cap is engine turned.
Does it play, though?
The only ones I have come across which do are the reworked ones.
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It's back! Very nice rings, this is exactly what Eilam wants on his new Cookstown Ironwood flute that I am making for him... Hummmm.
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